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"That’s Hollywood fantasy, not a documentary. Facebook wasn’t built out of a Harvard dorm window. And I would never throw a laptop at someone, like it appears in the movie. Not even at Mark."
—

Eduardo Saverin on The Social Network (x)

“Not even at Mark.”

(via wardoisaidiknow)

#real life tsn #not even mark

(via tonystaarks)



I really fucked it up this time. Didn’t I, my dear? 


sebastiangavroche: Mark looking at Eduardo throughout the film

sebastiangavroche:

Mark looking at Eduardo throughout the film


I know that things are broken
I know there’re too many words left unsaid

at first i thought this said 

please

don’t cry

you hat


skinandpit:

whateverdelusional:

skinandpit:

whateverdelusional:

skinandpit:

whateverdelusional:

goingxmissing:

Okay, I’ve had problems with eye-contact in the past (it’s an uncomfortable minefield), so I appreciate what you’re saying, but.

Mark does have issues with eye-contact, but his issues strike me largely as unconscious power plays. It is easier to dismiss someone when you’re not looking them in the eye, and Mark was dismissing Eduardo. Mark was evading the point, and Eduardo forced him back to it. If it were something like, I dunno, “Hey, Mark, how long has that milk been sitting there,” that’d be one thing, but this is the financial future of their company, and what Eduardo is asking for here is to be taken seriously. It just doesn’t strike me as unfair.

I see what you’re saying and it makes a lot of sense and I even kind of agree with it, but also I’m going to stick in another point of view.

I’m gonna speak in absolutes here for the sake of rhetoric even though I think both interpretations are valid. 

I don’t think lack of eye contact is universally dismissive. Like, personally, I suck at processing facial expressions and content simultaneously, so if I want to understand and respond effectively what someone’s saying I usually look away from their face. 

To be honest, about 50% of the time I’m being dismissive when I’m making eye contact. And I think that’s what’s happening here. 

Mark was definitely dismissing Eduardo, and he was being kind of a dick about it. But Eduardo forcing Mark to make eye contact with Eduardo was also mean and counterproductive. I think they’re both being pretty nasty to each other here. 

When Mark looks up at Eduardo, he does not look receptive. He does not look like he is listening. That is a shut-down face, that is the kind of face you make when you are done with the conversation but you can’t leave it without getting attacked. His body language goes from loose and dismissive to furious and defensive and scared and violent. I mean, look at the set of his shoulders, and the way his legs suddenly go tight, and he stops bouncing all of a sudden. He also close Eduardo down as fast as possible. His only response is no, no there’s nothing else he wants to say even though there are plenty of things he should be telling Eduardo, and he immediately changes the subject. 

And Eduardo lets him.  

Because this isn’t a conversation, it’s a battle, and Eduardo has just won it. Mark shut up. He answered Eduardo’s questions. He looked at him. Eduardo won. 

Like. I’m sympathetic to both these people. Because Eduardo needs to have this conversation, but Mark keeps turning away from it because he doesn’t want any conflict.  But that doesn’t mean he gets a free pass on hurting his friend. And in the end he doesn’t even get his conversation, he just gets Mark’s submission.

And basically Eduardo just makes my heart hurt. I love him so much, I love his terrifying subversive violence and I love the way he knows how to make people dance for him. 

I dunno, I really don’t necessarily think there’s that much subtext to it on Eduardo’s part, though I totally agree with your interpretation of Mark. I think it was really just instinct, like a parent to a child, “I’m speaking to you, so look at me.” And Eduardo, with his background, was probably raised to be pretty unfailingly polite. He wants Mark’s respect, because respect is what he wants in general.

Yeah, and this is definitely perspective dependant. 

Like … ack, I have a lot of feelings about Eduardo and the way he uses emotions. With a little practise, it’s really easy to weaponize your emotions.

You just sort of take whatever you’re feeling and turn it up and put a hitch in your voice and shift the center of the conversation from whatever you’re actually talking about to your pain. There’s also particular thing you can do with your body language that is really hard to explain, but the point of it is to bring up all the ways the other individual has hurt you without actually saying anything out loud, which sounds like witchcraft but which is honestly easy to pull off. And Eduardo is doing it right here. Like … it’s more than complicated this, but it’s partially the way he’s leaning towards Mark while simultaneously folding in on himself. It’s incredibly confusing to most people, because most people are not used to individuals who do this.


And it is really, really easy to do. Like so easy that you do it without thinking about it, so easy that it is your first line of defence. So easy that it stops being a thing you do to hurt people and starts being just the way you talk. 

These are obviously not healthy coping mechanisms, you don’t learn them because you’ve been treated well throughout your life, and Eduardo’s father won’t even look at him. 

And I think Eduardo does this. I really think he does, I think he’s really skilled at it, and I think Mark is exactly the kind of person who would be valuable to Eduardo because Mark is easy to manipulate. 

(And like … god, I have so many feelings about Sean owned Mark after that because Eduardo owned Mark before the dinner, and that doesn’t invalidate their friendship, it doesn’t even prevent it from being a good one, it just complicates it.) 

And like. Yeah. The whole point I was making before falls apart a little if you don’t see Eduardo as a manipulative person. And I think the ‘Eduardo is a nice guy’ interpretation works too. It does not ring true for me, but I can see where other people are coming from, and I also really really like to read meta and stories about Eduardo being a nice person. 

Hm, well. There’s a certain extent to which I agree, because I don’t really back the whole “Eduardo is a nice guy who just got fucked over” perspective. But I guess we differ on the level of manipulation we think is involved.

I think Eduardo is manipulative, but I think he doesn’t really realise that. I think he feels justified in his feelings and is just honestly not as empathetic a person as he feels he is. He sees things strictly from his own perspective just as much as Mark does. He sees the way he’s being wronged and responds in the egocentric way people his age normally do. He isn’t old enough or mature enough or experienced enough for this undertaking, and the way he handles it is often immature. But I don’t think that he’s specifically angling for a certain emotional reaction from Mark, and honestly, I think in most cases, if his ego isn’t in some way benefitting from it, Mark sees through bullshit pretty easily.

Yeah, and I think that makes sense too. I have really mixed feelings about Mark being able to see through Wardo’s bullshit — some days I’m sure that’s true and some days I’m really not sure. I really like stories where he can sort of see through Wardo’s crap, though. I think ‘if his ego isn’t in same way benefitting from it’ is a really good addendum, because it explains some of the inconsistencies in the way he responses to Eduardo. 

#See this #/this/ #is why I call the tsn fandom my soulmate fandom #A simple gifset #That spawned this large #this /respectful/ #of a conversation about the characters and the emotions and the relationship #that led to and exist in this discussion #God I love the people in this fandom #God I love this /movie/ #The Social Network #Soulmate fandom #In other news I tend to believe that while Eduardo is certainly manipulative in his own way #He tends to be much less conscious of it than someone like Sean #I mean if you look at the entirety of the depositions #There are certainly moments where he is saying things purely for Mark’s benefit #To hurt him #.03% being an obvious pointed moment #But then there are other emotionally resonant times #When he obviously hurt Mark #But it wasn’t intended or pointed #It was just Eduardo being hurt #As he was #Like ‘My father won’t even look at me’ #Or the empty chair #God I wish they would stop hurting each other




is it bad that i have bad feelings for les miserables because he directed the kings’ speech

and the academy chose it over the social network

because seriously


politicalwerewolves:

tchaikovsky:

this is what happens when you let me near a reverse function

OHMYGOSH. THIS IS INTENSE AND FREAKING AWESOME.


novembersmith:

jesse-eisenberg:

I JUST WANNA GIVE A GROUP HUG TO THE ENTIRE TSN FANDOM


ndrwgarfield: that time andrew unnecessarily smacked jesse on the head. i was wondering if maybe andrew was trying to condition jesse. because they did the take so many times, jesse probably wasn’t flinching naturally like he needed to. so andrew starts smacking him in order to condition jesse to flinch every time andrew comes up to him.

ndrwgarfield:

that time andrew unnecessarily smacked jesse on the head.

i was wondering if maybe andrew was trying to condition jesse. because they did the take so many times, jesse probably wasn’t flinching naturally like he needed to. so andrew starts smacking him in order to condition jesse to flinch every time andrew comes up to him.


motherfuckingoj:

OH MY GOD BUT WHY DID I JUST REALIZE THAT “THERE’S A SNAKE IN HERE, AMY” IS SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST A MADE UP EXCUSE TO GET HER OUT OF THE SHOWER

SEAN PARKER IS THE SNAKE


wholove:

tumbling-after:

‘ok, can i tell you the single worst mistake of my life?’
‘jesus christ…’
‘no-no-no, you don’t understand. that’s when i knew for sure that i was in love with you. what i didn’t know was how the fuck to deal with it so-so i screwed it all up.’
‘…what did you just say?’

No fucking words.